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Poll: Are We Better Off Now Than Four Years Ago?

Democrats attempt to prove we are better off, but are we really?

As speakers at the Democratic National Convention continue to endorse the reelection of Barack Obama as president, there is the difficult Republican-posed question Democrats are trying to answer: Is the nation better off since Obama took the presidency?

In his usual charisma, former President Bill Clinton insisted Wednesday night that as long as Americans reelected Obama, America can relive a job boom reminiscent of the era of when Clinton held office in the 90s.

"Are we where we want to be today? No. Is the President satisfied? Of course not. But are we better off than we were when he took office? The answer is yes,” said Clinton.

Clinton argued that while Obama inherited a “deeply damaged economy,” he has laid the foundation for a “well-balanced economy.”

That was a message Republicans at the Republican National Convention would strongly disagree with, claiming economic recovery has been excruciatingly slow and that Obama has barely worked with neither Democrats or Republicans in repairing the economy.

What is your view? Do you think America is better off now than four years ago? Why or why not?

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SteveB September 20, 2012 at 05:28 pm
Here is an interesting tutorial on the economics of the world oil market. If you truly believe that any changes in drilling under Bush had any noticeable effect on changing oil prices, this should help change that view:
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm
Bobby September 20, 2012 at 05:36 pm
We have more oil than any country in the world BY FAR. Anyone that believes that it would affect what we pay at the pump if we were to ramp up drilling by 2000% is out of their mind. Why do you think Saudi Arabia and most Middle East counties pay about 25 cents a gallon? We have so much oil in fact we could be selling it and make enough to pay down our debt dramatically. When their is a glut a commodity costs less. We could have been getting cheaper oil through Canada if the DICKtator hadnt crushed the lucrative Keystone pipeline deal. It also cost Americans at least 20,000 high paying jobs.
Bobby September 20, 2012 at 05:37 pm
*would not affect...
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 05:49 pm
Oil reserves - that one is easy to disprove - we are 13th on this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves Note, we have 1.7% of the oil reserves that OPEC has. Where do you get your data from?
Bobby September 20, 2012 at 06:27 pm
Lol.@ Wikipedia. ANYONE can put ANYTHING on there.
http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-has-more-oil-reserves-than-any-other-nation
Bobby September 20, 2012 at 06:29 pm
The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April ('08) that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since '95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota ; western South Dakota ; and extreme eastern Montana ..... check THIS out:
The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion. 'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea..' says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst. 'This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years' reports, The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.
Bobby September 20, 2012 at 06:29 pm
I can give you all the documentation you need.
Bobby September 20, 2012 at 06:31 pm
- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
- 18-times as much oil as Iraq - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait - 22-times as much oil as Iran - 500-times as much oil as Yemen - and it’s all right here in the Western United States .
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Yes, wikipedia is not perfect, but it is not a bad place to start. And in this case accurate, too. If you go to the examiner.com link you provide, the first link there is to a congressional study, which on page 17 lists the US oil reserves as 21 billion barrels. What you (and the author) appear to be confusing, is Barrels of Oil, with Barrels of Oil Equivalent (BOE), which include natural gas and coal. So, no, we don't "have more oil than any country in the world BY FAR". We do have more Fossil Fuel Reserves, just nosing out Saudi Arabia.
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 08:03 pm
Here is the direct link to the report, if interested:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=f7bd7b77-ba50-48c2-a635-220d7cf8c519
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 08:13 pm
Here is the USGS report:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2008/3021/pdf/FS08-3021_508.pdf It estimates a reserve of 3.65 Billion barrels of oil ... not 503 Billion. Those numbers are a wee bit different. And incidentally, the Bakken oil is being drilled. Aha, I see where you got your misinformation. One of those fake emails that get passed around like a communicable disease: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 08:14 pm
Valid documentation would be great. Internet spam, no thanks:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 08:15 pm
More false data from that spam email:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp
SteveB September 20, 2012 at 08:25 pm
Oops - it is Russia, not Saudi Arabia that we nose out for Total Fossil Fuels. Point still stands, however.
Margeaux Rox September 21, 2012 at 01:30 am
SPG: If you really knew what you were talking about, which you do not, you would know better. Of course, from the tone of what you wrote and your attempt to insult "Teabaggers" I'm guessing you are enjoying being on the government dole. Hillary Clinton recently betrayed our military by insisting they carry rubber bullets and now they are dead. Yea, she's as much of a loser as her husband, the king of the cigar.
Margeaux Rox September 21, 2012 at 01:35 am
@Gail M. You asked that Bobby guy for some info about NDAA so here's a link for you.
http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/ndaa It's from the ACLU. And this article is a little older but you should read it. NDAA is dangerous. http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/36-hours-left-tell-congress-pass-smith-amash-amendment-ndaa
Bobby September 21, 2012 at 06:59 am
Snopes is another horrendous "fact check". Its a very liberal husband and wife duo on a home computer with absolutely no training in research or previous experience in research.
Bobby September 21, 2012 at 07:02 am
http://seekingalpha.com/article/256403-how-much-oil-does-the-u-s-have-in-the-ground-what-does-it-mean-for-investors
Bobby September 21, 2012 at 07:04 am
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-is-Obama-Lying-About-US-Oil-Reserves.html
Bobby September 21, 2012 at 07:05 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/us-oil-resources-president-obamas-non-sequitur-facts/2012/03/14/gIQApP14CS_blog.html
SteveB September 21, 2012 at 02:25 pm
Bobby - cutting and pasting an unsourced email is a horrendous way to present "facts". Whatever their political views, I provided you a link to the actual USGS report which stated that the Bakken reserve is estimated at 3.65 Billion barrels, NOT 503 Billion. A reasonable person would then question a source which is misrepresenting information in such a way.
SteveB September 21, 2012 at 02:41 pm
Bobby, did you read this? It says "the US has approximately 50 billion barrels of producible oil in place", with a link to a figure supporting the 50 Billion barrel estimate to ... wait for it ... wikipedia, that source that you dismiss. It just so happens that it is referencing USGS data, and is valid, but it is an estimate of the US's Total Mean Oil Resources (Undiscovered Technically Recoverable Resources). It is 47.5 Billion as of 12/8. The reason why it is higher than the 21 Billion number, is the 21 Billion are "proved reserves". Regardless, 50 Billion US reserves is a far cry from 500 Billion in the Bakken fields alone. Can you at least acknowledge that?
SteveB September 21, 2012 at 03:12 pm
You realize that any link that has "Why is Obama Lying" in it, probably is not .. fair and balanced. Here is a link to someone who wrote an actual fair and balanced take on the subject:
http://artofthestem.com/tag/undeveloped-domestic-oil-resources/ Note, he does start out by picking on Gingrich and the Republicans, but he has words for the Dems too.
SteveB September 21, 2012 at 03:20 pm
Now there's a good link. It will take some time to digest. Thanks for that one. Not so much for the others.
Dan MacPherson November 22, 2012 at 04:11 pm
Reading (and trying to follow) this thread helps me understand why this country is in trouble. Your memories are all good, but very selective. You are all arguing apples to oranges. Bush and Obama have both made mistakes.
I believe the NATO rules of engagement prohibited Bush 1 from taking out Saddam. I believe Iraq violated many of the terms it had previously agreed to, justifying the Iraq war. Denying weapons inspectors access and shooting at our airplanes come to mind.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK November 22, 2012 at 04:51 pm
Leave a comment? Gads, I read all of the above and it may be an indicator of my mentality, but the most entrancing thing was the name B.O. Plenty. The heck with all the problems facing us,,I am trying to recall what comic B.O. was in. I think it was Dick Tracy. All of the above was a clever design to make things so intertwined that people will give up and say "Who Cares"....Political choices have become reduced to deciding that if you were up to your neck in raw sewage and someone threw a pail of vomit at you, would you duck ? Obama is much like the motive for playing music on a cruise. The music assures you that it is not your imagination; you really are having a good time. It is a medical fact that anger causes the blood to rush to the Anus. Check it out. So, for those who have their brains in their ass, don't piss them off. the B.
ROBERT E. FISHBACK November 22, 2012 at 05:11 pm
I look for the diamonds that are hidden in a pile of loose rock. Two diamonds here in the form of names: B.O. Plenty and Zach Stoloff. Zach, any relation to Morris Stoloff? Great Musician....this is like putting diamonds in a Swine's snout
ROBERT E. FISHBACK November 23, 2012 at 03:08 pm
This is worthy of some thought: A better pondering would be that after you die, would you be better off than you are (were) now. One reason for research re eternity is that is is forever. Many ideas, philosophesies, religions. Many believe the hereafter cannot be known, so, any one's ideas are as valid as any one elses. The Bible, whose writers claim that all they wrote was under God's direction, teaches there is a Heaven and there is Hell. It also teaches "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Most of you know John 3;16. jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME....for "There is no other name given amongst men whereby you MUST be saved." Now, before you throw this out, consider this: wnen ever there is a bomb threat that envolves an airliner, a thorough investigation is made because if the threat is true, the results would be so total and final that an investigation is mandatory. The search or not to search does not rest upon suspicions it is a hoax. So, are you going to believe in Gospel information, or the critics whose arguments are unfounded and based upon their anger that it really is true? . The point is that the event we all are facing deserves a great deal of investigation on our parts. Stay away from what others think...do your own reading and draw your own conclusions. Not pushing religion. Religion is to God what Botany is to flowers. Walk through a Rose garden and know Botany.
Bobby February 7, 2013 at 12:56 am
Obama has ruled as a dictator since day 1. He has broken 95% of the promises he has made. He has committed over 50 impeachable offenses. he is the greatest threat to America in her history. More than all her current and past enemies combined. He is using a Cloward-Piven strayegy to deliberately collapse our dollar in his quest to take America down. Its no stretch to say he is the most evil man ever to walk on American soil.
Bobby February 7, 2013 at 12:59 am
Lol. Where did matter come from Robert? It could not have been eternally pre-existant. Ape-to-man evolution is the greatest scientific blunder in history. Tens of thousands of times beyond flat earth theories. The Bible has been corroborated by REAL science, archaeology and history. Organized religion is worthless but Biblical Christianity is a FAITH, not a religion and it is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
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Danlp June 18, 2013 at 07:24 am
Yes, they do need to bulldoze Hobo Junction along with the recycling center to the west of it thatRead More attracts its inhabitants.
Tina June 18, 2013 at 12:28 pm
You are so right Danlp oh how I wish they would clean that area up. I might be wrong but it appearsRead More to be getting worse. They not only take up all the grass area but are now starting to sit out in front of Wells Fargo. Come on Glendora.....
K.K June 17, 2013 at 08:06 am
That's what I've been wondering????? Typical Glendora withholding information. Sounded like a methRead More lab blowing up. I heard it was on vista Bonita and some type of " chemical fire".
Janelle June 18, 2013 at 04:08 pm
I called the non-emergency # for the Glendora Police Dept. and the operator told me 'they' knewRead More nothing about the explosion. Then I told her I had 'just read' on Patch that a Glendora Police Officer had told a resident that it probably was an industrial fire cracker, but I 'thought' it was way too massive for that. The operator had 'nothing' more to say.
jammer June 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm
The local government has chosen to adopt the Sgt. Schultz syndrome that is used by all those in TheRead More District of Corruption, in Washington. Why not? It is working for them, they are getting away with everything they try.
The Crazy Dog Ladies May 31, 2013 at 09:46 am
Dance Street West has great teachers who have the great ability to combine serious dance instructionRead More with lots of fun! My girls and their friends love it!
Danlp May 29, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Well, good luck with that Donald, I've been sending emails to the City Manager ( Mr. Jeffries) for 2Read More years about that stretch of road and all that's been done is the filling of two small potholes. The road condition is an embarrassment to all in the city.
carolyn May 30, 2013 at 11:08 am
I agree with you Danlp, it is a mess on Grand Ave. from Bennett to Sierra Madre. The road had soRead More many pot holes its hard to travel and its a main street wich is just making it worse. Wish they would do something about it Grand Ave.We pay taxes , and my car would appreciate it alot save on matience on my tires and balance.
B.K. Holthaus May 31, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Amen to you both. I have seen several streets in Glendora that could use repair. I was recentlyRead More driving in cities with much fewer resources and and smaller budgets than Glendora wondering why their roads are better than ours. Maybe we need to start with Grand and go from there....