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Should Glendora Schools Follow NRA's Suggestion for Armed Campus Security?

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the NRA's Wayne LaPierre said.

In a Friday morning press conference, the National Rifle Association broke its weeklong silence following the horrific shooting of 26 people at a school in Newtown, CT and called for a surge of gun-carrying “good guys” around American schools.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre called for a new kind of American domestic security revolving around armed civilians, arguing that “the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

“We care about our president, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents,” LaPierre said. “Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by Capitol Police officers. Yet, when it comes to our most beloved, innocent, and vulnerable members of the American family, our children, we as a society leave them every day utterly defenseless, and the monsters and the predators of the world know it, and exploit it.”

LaPierre's speech was a call to supporters to mobilize around a new vision of American domestic security, at a time when voices for gun control are steadily rising. On Friday morning before the press conference, President Obama released a video (above) citing a petition by hundreds of Americans calling for swift action.

At the grassroots level, groups like Newtown United, a group of Newtown neighbors, are working to address major issues related to the tragedy, including gun control, violent media, mental health and legislation.

In stark contrast, LaPierre called for a great mobilization of gun-carrying “good guys,” a term he used repeatedly but did not define, who could be more present and respond more quickly than police.

“If we truly cherish our kids, more than our money, more than our celebrities, more than our sports stadiums, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible,” LaPierre said. “And that security is only available with properly trained, armed 'good guys'."

LaPierre, who was interrupted twice by protesters who held signs in front of TV cameras, made a direct call for local action.

"I call on every parent. I call on every teacher. I call on every school administrator, every law enforcement officer in this country, to join with us and help create a national schools shield safety program to protect our children with the only positive line of defense that’s tested and proven to work," he said.

In his speech, LaPierre also accused the media of selling "violence against its own people" through violent video games, music videos and "blood-soaked" films. He did not take questions from reporters, and did not acknowledge the protesters.

Secret I'm Listed December 24, 2012 at 03:05 AM
Try reading this site for some food for thought: http://www.thisistrue.com/blog-thinking_about_newtown.html
Secret I'm Listed December 24, 2012 at 03:08 AM
And, if that isn't enough, try the blog: http://www.thisistrue.com/blog-asking_the_right_questions.html
Paul H. December 24, 2012 at 05:50 AM
Why is it that the NRA is getting the blame for this horrific crime when Hollywood glorifies horrendous gun violence in their films. I'm pretty sure the NRA supports our legal right to bear arms. Last I checked it still is our right...I really don't think that the NRA promotes violence, rather in safe training and use of firearms. Violent video games and the nice Hollywood folks and the media might be more to blame....I'm just saying.
AB December 24, 2012 at 07:09 AM
I don't believe any longer in our nation's claim to have a functioning public school system, so I find the gun control argument a mute point. What you are beginning to see is parents who believe likewise and who are pulling their students to have them in private schools or to be home schooled. Even in Glendora, the schools are over crowded; the teachers are overworked, and underpaid. The assessments being conducted on a state level aren't adequately addressing learning and the funding per student remains near the lowest in the nation. It was a nice experiment, public schooling, but it is obviously a failed one. It is sad to have to admit this, as a public school teacher myself, but it is simply the truth of what is taking place. There is no support and hasn't been any for years and there is no indication any will be coming.
jammer December 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM
Keep H.S.A. out of this. They have already destroyed the travel industry. The public schools are a big enough mess, don't give them First Class Mental Retards to push them over the edge.
Albert G December 24, 2012 at 06:22 PM
As a retired teacher myself, I can only agree with everything you write here...it's all sadly true!
Kenneth Seville December 25, 2012 at 02:02 AM
What questions should school boards ask themselves before making a decision on participating in the National School Shield Program? www.democravise.com
Beth Glover December 28, 2012 at 04:59 PM
John; that is just a waste of reading time. Ken; it's just too bad that you have to include name calling and labeling of other commenters, with your comments. It kind of defeats your purpose of getting your ideas across. In fact a few people commenting here, seem to be falling back on; you're a libtard, a retard a First Class Mental Retard. That's how we start the conversation? How about... isn't it sad that the very schools we went to ( Myself for example) have lost so much funding of arts, music, shop classes, spend so much emphasis on testing, testing, testing, have guards driving around constantly patrolling who usually have nothing to do so they resort to detaining students for wearing knit hats on cold days, and actually do have a police office on campus every day with a gun, which doesn't matter because the campuses are so sprawling it would be easy as pie to enter from 1000 different ways. I feel sorry for the teenagers who are growing up going to schools that are becoming more like a prison camp each day. I have to wonder if any of the people proposing solutions to the problem have ever volunteered in a classroom of kindergarteners, first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade, fifth grade... and ridden on school buses as volunteers for 12 years, or chaperoned at games, or competitions for a decade? If they haven't, they should start... then make their revised comment on teachers with guns. here, let me help you with the name calling, "Momtard"
Marc M. Pijuan December 29, 2012 at 12:01 AM
We have armed security at malls and at banks. Why are kids in schools less important than a shopping center or a bank? Private schools do have security, so should our public schools. Why do you find it so wrong for people wanting to protect their kids by having armed security? The NRA was not in that school during the shooting, so don't blame them. Put the blame where it belongs. Just one question, "who shot those kids?". That's the person to blame and no one else.
Albert G December 29, 2012 at 12:58 AM
What private schools have security? I worked at seven different ones and none had any security. The closest any came was Nuns with rulers!
PC December 29, 2012 at 03:38 AM
The NRA has no moral conscience. They are a money hungry, money driven group who's only purpose is to make gun manufacturers rich. Look at all the people who had guns at Fort Hood? Are we to have armed guards and private personel everywhere? Operating rooms, libraries, grocery stores? The only viable solution is stricter gun laws.
PC December 29, 2012 at 03:39 AM
The NRA has no moral conscience. They are a money hungry, money driven group who's only purpose is to make gun manufacturers rich. Look at all the people who had guns at Fort Hood? Are we to have armed guards and private personel everywhere? Operating rooms, libraries, grocery stores? The only viable solution is stricter gun laws.
Jay December 29, 2012 at 03:45 AM
Fort Hood PC? Military personal do not walk around with m4's on their backs nor are they allowed to carry side arms on secured military basses unless they are in the field training. If they where in Iraq or Afghanastan they still wouldn't be carrying because they where medical staff. Your comment shows a lack of knowledge and you just sound like another whacky gun hater. Wy don't you turn on CNN and find another thing to rant and rave about. I'm sure they will move on to the Next topic in a few days.
Mark December 31, 2012 at 05:27 AM
Yes, Glendora schools should have an armed, well trained security on each campus. Banks, Malls, Jewelry stores, etc have them why shouldn't our children be protected? I strongly support the Second Amendment. The framers put that language in the Constitution to allow The People to protect themselves against others that intend to do them harm as well as a tyrannical government. How do you think America came into existence?
Albert G December 31, 2012 at 06:31 AM
You can arm a teacher, but would they have time to get to the gun before the perp storms the classroom and starts shooting? Will the teachers be marksmen and guarantee that they won't accidentally shoot kids,other staff members or themselves? Where will the gun be kept? Locked up? Will there be time to get to it in case it's needed? I taught high school students who could pick any lock...what if the gun is stolen by a student? Will teachers wear the gun in a holster on their persons? Will a kid be able to grab it and start firing it? Will bullets be kept apart from the gun? Again, would both be easily accessible in an emergency? How would the state pay for guns when they can't even make ends meet as it is? It seems that the potential for disaster by arming educators is considerable. Can school districts afford the law suits if things go wrong? Someone had better think about these things before guns are just handed out.
Bill C. December 31, 2012 at 09:14 AM
B.K., first of all there are countless schools across the nation that have armed security or police assigned to them, many in the LAUSD in fact. These are some of the campuses most riddled with gang activity, in known gang areas or the schools of the rich and famous. The LAUSD for years have used off duty police officers as contract security to suppplement their own police force. Secondly, would you rather have a gun and not need it or not have one but need it? What's more precious to us than our kids? As a father and grandfather many times over I wish the world was such where the need to think of options such as arming teachers wasn't needed, but sadly it is. Instead of asking so many questions how about just waking up to the fact that A) This isn't the America we grew up in any longer and B) Realize that are people that know how to do everything needed to make everything you ask about as safe as possible for our most vulnerable? I'd agree it's sad we have to but sadder to think we could have averted the next tragedy if only we weren't so stuck on not wanting to come to the conclusion we have to?
Albert G December 31, 2012 at 05:24 PM
Bill, I appreciate the lengthy thesis you wrote here and I agree with a measure of it and see your point.. I am just not ready to surrender to hysteria yet. I still think rational people and laws will do what they can. As I firmly believe...no one can be 100% safe from a crazed person no matter what precautions are taken, so I prefer to find solutions that make life worth living and not something to fear. And yes, it's sad we've all come to having to consider all these horrific things happening in our society. There is no solid, single answer that will satisfy us all.
Bill C. January 01, 2013 at 06:47 PM
Nothing lengthy about what i wrote B.K., it takes more words though to talk to someone whose head is buried in the sand. Your thoughts don't promote one thing to make our kids safer, not one thing. If our teachers, like you were, are ok with that they should look for other work. Because of your well known leftist view of the world and desire to do nothing because of what "might happen", you leave the door open to those who would act in the same manner that's been demonstrated more than once and "will happen" again to our most vulerable. Congratulations, remember that next time kids are killed.
Albert G January 01, 2013 at 07:10 PM
"Lengthy" is a relative term and it wasn't intended as a criticism. Once again, Bill, you misread my statements and intentions. I have never advocated doing nothing in protecting our children. . I just don't promote rash actions or overreactions. I'm not sure why you always feel that you need to take an adversarial position. I understand your convictions and appreciate the fact that you don't waiver from them. That's kind of what integrity is about. I just don't share all your positions. In this case they would turn our schools into a police state, which is not conducive to learning as I have seen and lived it.
Bill C. January 01, 2013 at 08:12 PM
I'm pretty well educated and misread nothing. I also have agreed with you on some things you've written and told you so. You in my opinion are part of the weak left though who would rather do nothing than actually address the situation as I feel is needed. That you would attempt to equate protecting our kids by the training up of those willing to be trained or using those already trained, with turning America into a "Police State" makes me truly wonder if you're even further left than I thought. Still,not one idea about how to protect our kids froma former teacher, that's pretty sad. You go ahead though and walk around like many others frightened of what "might happen" if we allow "trained adults" to protect our kids, I'll do the needed thing and "actively" be a part of the solution.
Albert G January 01, 2013 at 09:07 PM
Hopefully, the new year will offer you some enlightenment and a softer edge. I look forward to that when and if it ever happens :) Until then, the liberal agenda will dominate American politics whether one likes it or not. It has been mandated by the people. Or rather, the sane, caring and humane people.
Bill C. January 01, 2013 at 10:31 PM
It's shameful that a former teacher doesn't care even a little about protecting the youngest of our students. That sound sane, caring and humane? You are a sad man B.K. but at least you have guys like me to do the real work when it comes time. You stay in your house and be safe.
Albert G January 01, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Sorry, Bill, but you have no clue what I care about. For the record, my approach to life and all matters therein is best embraced by this: "The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. Against such things there is no law." Galatians 5: 22-23 Because I embrace that, does not mean that I do not take an active role in change or am not interested in making a better world. It simply means I refuse to step on reason or logic to reach those goals.
Bill C. January 02, 2013 at 12:20 AM
Your words tell what you're all about B.K. and your lack, your absolute lack of any constructive measure to help avoid our youngest from being slaughtered in the future makes me ill. You, and liberals like you are a sad group looking for others to handle the real work so you don't appear too agressive, a truly pathetic response to more than one tragedy. Jesus was a tough guy B.K., if you weren't aware of that you need to look further in scripture. This conversation is over.
Secret I'm Listed January 02, 2013 at 01:33 AM
B.K Holthaus and Bill C. - I started with eyes rolling: what, again someone thinks they know someone else's political views better than themself? And then it dawned on me that thought can be nuanced and not toe a party line. People can and do hold some "liberal" views as well as some "conservative" views. Neither side is all correct, nor all wrong. Such simplistic thinking is one of the reasons we're in a mess, and the resulting "us vs. them" (aka "we are good, they are evil") is exactly what leads to the violence this page is discussing. So, even though your dialogue got my eyes rolling (and boy, is it hard to read when that happens), the rest is exactly what is needed: thought about the ramifications of knee-jerk reactions and people saying "Hold on: what about THIS?" So, there's no reason for name calling or hurt feelings. We can all be adults in this forum (well, maybe not the Johns and Mikes). Let's face the facts here: none of us is going to solve this problem by ourself. If the powers that be refuse to enforce the laws already on the books and continue to keep the mental institutions closed to those who need them, nothing is going to change.
Albert G January 02, 2013 at 01:47 AM
I agree Secret. I feel my responses have been reasonable and non-confrontational. I allowed that Bill has strong convictions and admire him for standing what he believes in. I may not agree but that doesn't make him or me a bad person. I am very liberal in some things and very conservative in others so to label me a liberal is inaccurate at best. I do not feel threatened by opinions that are counter to mine. But sadly, not all people function with intellect and reason. I also stand by everything I've written.I have offered reasonable points and arguments and defended myself in a dignified manner and I do not regret anything I've written or feel any of it has been out of line. I must also concur, secret, that to me, this whole issue is as much an issue about mental health and how we approach it as it is about guns.
gsuburban February 03, 2013 at 11:45 PM
No criminals in the past care much about your strict gun laws. Why do you think crimes with guns continue? The criminal is not a friend thus, outlaw or ban them. Maybe we should ban high capacity buildings, airplanes, school rooms, movie theaters and so forth since "high capacity" appears to be a shared major contributor to mass killings, just like twin towers, all of that was high capacity planes, buildings, airports etc. Not one gun though.
gsuburban February 03, 2013 at 11:50 PM
It's been a long time since I have seen something sane written as in Holthaus explained. Nothing is guaranteed in life and I agree, reasonable solutions take over those micro managed solutions that are simply too infringing on life. I agree there is no perfect solution thus, risk will always be upon us, we are humans, not math formulas.
gsuburban February 04, 2013 at 12:37 AM
Schools are not the danger, the idiots are. Same goes for churches and movie theaters. I don't believe the education and a civil society requires bar fences, high security and armed "security guards". I'm pretty sure all of those lose canon types are what our system of immigration(s), medical system(s), parental obligations and common sense should control as they have the past few hundred years. Banning the illegal actions and senseless activities of criminals while barricading America within is not a fair solution.
gsuburban February 04, 2013 at 12:53 AM
That sounds about right on target BK. Those who avoid the real crimes leading up to about the last 30 seconds of Adam Lanza's assault on Sandy Hook need to re-evaluate and then consider why 300 million other citizens don't do what Adam did. Anyone who do are trying not to blame him at all for his many felonies prior to his last 26 and final felonies. Those bent on background checks, limited arms and magazines may as well consider reducing the "high capacity" airliners, buildings, theaters, schools, baseball and football stadiums etc. They all have large amounts of people who gather just waiting to be slaughtered by the next Adam so it stands to reason less is better according to those who truly believe that limited semi-auto guns, small magazines and background checks will solve Adams actions. I read the Bushmaster was found in the trunk of the car Adam used but the hand guns were near him where he died. Makes sense, it's difficult to shoot yourself with a rifle. Is the media and the feds playing this one out to get us believing they need to do something rash, even if it won't attack the real problem? I wonder all the time as I don't hear of mass amounts of citizens banging down doors at the capitol about gun crimes, but they are steering us to believe their solutions are warranted.

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